Forums: Archer Rebalance- Will Increasing Damage be OPed (overpowered)?

Berrybomb: Hmmm...

Description: This will be my OutSpark Forums part of the blog. I visit that place a lot, and I find a lot of useful information there. This is the place for me to discuss information provided from the forums or my thoughts on topics being discussed. These are just my opinions...so don't take these as facts. I do not like stating my opinions on the forums (it's a bit trollish) that may lead into arguments. Sometimes, one post makes me think a lot...and I put a lot of work into it, and then I start to think whether I should post it or not...so I will post them here instead.

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Good morning~!

Last night, I was reading the archer rebalance thread by Dragonfly77 (Balancing Archers - Don't forget about us!! by Dragonfly77 ...link is also at the bottom of the page as I support archer rebalance)...and this comment on page 204...post # 2037 made me think a lot...

But the problem is, that can only really be done by increasing the archer's damage directly or the damage of their DoTs which would make archers overpowered in non-sc pvp and pve.

I am not saying that resistances should not be lowered (the definitely should), simply saying that archers need a serious damage boost or DoT boost to contend in a SC loaded PvP setting. Doing that, however, makes them overpowered in a non-sc pvp setting as well as grinding. You really can't balance both.

This brings up the question: Would increasing the damage of archers to be better at PvP...imbalance them in both PvE and PvP in a non-SC (sparkcash) setting? Let me try to tackle this question...

Reading the post above, I was starting to think of...well...mages. The quoted post states that archers are OPed in PvE (my assumption here is the ability to solo AoE), and if they are to get more damage to be better in PvP...that would make them OPed in PvE and PvP. Then, this would mean that mages are OPed at the moment...by what this post states as OPed. Maybe mages are OPed...but I'm just replying to what this post states as OPed...to make some points.

Mages can, if they are willing to, solo AoE without the use of SC, and can PvP very well against other classes without SC. Also, starting at level 91, archers do not have it easy without SC...they are in the same situation as other classes when it comes to leveling with no SC. So, they really are not OPed in PvE at 91 without SC...and they suck at PvP still even with the addition of SC...starting from level 1-1xx. Here are examples of how mages can be OPed in PvE (using the assumption of being OPed in PvE) without needing other classes/SC...

I know in the first video, Fatal is using a stinger mount, but I believe it can be done with a hobby. Let me try it in-game... Also, in the second video she has +9 gears and a +10 BK staff, but it is still a good demonstration of a mage solo AoEing, and it proves that it is possible.

So, I've tried to do something similar to the first video in-game, and yes it is definitely possible. I've tried it with an NPC level 50 wand with no SC, I used a tier one speed scroll instead of a tier three speed scroll (I didn't have the materials to make tier three), and I used a hobby...lol...

Here are my stats. I'm osm. <3

I'm pulling on a hobby...don't laugh...

When did crits start appearing on mage AoEs?

Run Berry! Run or dieeeee...

Go Berry~!

Success! :]

My second attempt at solo AoEing on my nub mage... had to change my skill bar around as I'm not so used to playing on my mage...

Second pull~!

Frost nova!

Freeeeezeee...

Pre-60, mages can solo AoE in 40 abyss and 20 abyss...all I need is a lot of tier one potions (I will make a blog post about this later on in the future). These examples prove that mages can be OPed in PvE, and are better than archers in PvP without SC...and they can get in parties as well without SC or the intent of powerleveling others. They also don't need aim scrolls as their AoEs never miss, and with an NPC level 50 wand...I can outdamage an archer with a +10 GOC crossbow...I'm joking, but an archer's damage on mobs is laughable compared to a mage.

Also, increasing an archer's damage would not OP them in PvE. There is a spawn rate, and it would probably increase their experience rate by a few. What makes it so OP for an archer to solo AoE? Mages and archers pre-prestige have about the same defence, and can take a group of mobs before it is overkill...all classes have a limit in PvE...even archers...archers can take more mobs than a mage, but there is a limit...

This was my attempt to solo AoE on my mage in FoS. I failed badly as the damage is too high. Although, I know archers too would probably have trouble kiting in this area because of the high damage and stuns, and also how close an archer's defence is to a mage. There is a limit on how many mobs an archer can kite...

Mages can probably rival an archer's experience rate. I do recall reading somewhere that mages can solo AoE in OLT if they want to...I'm not so sure on this...just thought it was interesting...and maybe OPed... I think archers are good in PvE, but not OPed as other classes do have the ability to solo AoE (archers are just better in solo AoEing...not OPed), and that mages are also good in PvP, but not OPed (maybe they are...not sure). My point is that archers wouldn't be OPed in a PvE and PvP non-SC setting with a damage boost, and that they shouldn't suck as well in a PvP non-SC/SC setting... Archers should probably be close to or equal to a mage in PvP abilities...as they are very similar.

I don't think increasing the damage (raw or DOT) of an archer would make them overpowered in a non-sparkcash PvP setting... since that would be just like a mage. I believe the damage boost should be just enough to kill mages...which I believe we were designed to kill, and to actually do some damage to clerics and fighters. At the moment, our damage does almost close to nothing to them... I'm not saying we should be able to kill fighters or clerics, but to be able to do decent damage...we are after all a DD (damage dealer) class, and that's what we specialize in. These disadvantages make archers...well useless in every aspect of a party/PvP/Fiesta Online.

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These are my thoughts about this particular post on the archer rebalance thread. Also, after seeing so many archer PvP videos lately on the forums...I may make my own. However, I predict I will fail very...very...veeeeryyy badly. ^^ Also, thanks to FatalLace on her videos, and also her helpful post on mage solo AoEing. I found them very useful in this post. I hope for the days that archers do get rebalanced.

Until next time, have a good day!